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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: What's your instinctive variant (to Type)?? |
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In line with Vagabonds (now lost) post on outgoing INTP's..INTP soc's)[/b].What's your instinctive variant?
(And what's your mbti type- )
tests
http://similarminds.com/variant.html
Instincts - Self Preservation, Social, Sexual.
These three instincts are built into our bestial nature, which resides at an unconscious level helping to ensure our survival, both of ourselves and our species. From the perspective of the enneagram, we want to know how these drives appear and function, both within personality and as distinct patterns, as defined by each instinct alone or the alignment of two or three (stacking).
Sexuals attract others without really trying. They also repel others in the same way, like an anti-pheromone. This works like a screening function in the mating process. People typically have a strong reaction one way or another towards Sx's, and vice versa.
Self Pres people instinctively avoid certain foods and environments, and are likewise drawn to those things that nourish and sustain them. Sp's have a strong reaction against things that threaten to harm their comfort or health.
Social is driven towards gaining protection and empowerment within larger entities.
Soc's typically react strongly against things which would jeopardize or displace their position or reputation.
The instinct is always trying to work for our survival, whether we know it or not. Personality can only get in the way. Animals, as more or less fully instinctual beings, don't have this problem. But integrating our personality with instinct requires that each side of ourselves is fully aware of the other side. Otherwise we are automated, automatic, and on autopilot.
Basic Instinctual Subtype Stackings
The Sexual Stackings
sx/sp
This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating.
Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.
Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer
Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame"
sx/so
This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.
Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.
Familiar roles: provocateur, activist, exhibitionish
Examples of sx/so: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc.
The Self-pres Stackings
sp/soc
This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals. When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty. This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness. May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds. They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life. May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to. They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs.
Motivation: to attain a position of material and societal security.
Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society.
Examples: Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, Harrison Ford
sp/sx
These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are quietly intense, but to others may seem oblivious to the greater social world around them, instead favoring personal interests. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the other's condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariant's surface formality. Somewhat hesitant to enter new relationships, they instead preserve the select few enduring bonds they carefully form along the way. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern,
( -CRAP- )and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.( END -CRAP- )
Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.
Familiar Roles: the mate, the mystic, the quiet supporter.
Examples: George Harrison, Jackie Onassis, Eric Clapton, Emily Dickinson
The Social Stackings
soc/sp
This type is often the most comfortable in group settings, but tends to be a bit formal and awkward in one to one relations. This is the natural political type, affiliating themselves with groups or theories which best defend their social and material interests. They may lack warmth and individual identity and this could lead to problems in forming meaningful relationships outside of a shared social interest. The motivation for this type is to attain status within their chosen sphere - the "social climber."
Examples of soc/sp: Hillary Clinton, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ted Nugent
soc/sx
This type has very strong one to one social skills, but is usually uncomfortable in group settings. They enjoy cultivating multiple relationships, and can be intensely involved when in the presence of someone they are interested in, but have difficulty sustaining these bonds when apart. This may give the impression of being flighty and rootless, willing to adapt and mirror others in order to connect, but lacking a defined approach that would give their relationships a more solid standing. They may have political interests, but are generally more pragmatic and less partisan than the other social variant. They are often attuned to pop culture and the latest trends. This type's motivation is to create lasting connections with those they are interested in - the "best friend."
Examples of soc/sx: Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Howard Stern, Margaret Cho, Jack McFarland from "Will & Grace"
[i](Variant Intinctives Stackings - courtesy of 'info from the Underground')
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Another Advanced Member

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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| - mine's sx/soc (entj) |
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Kyle Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Another Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oh - you're sp -CG? There's a theory that your
central listed variant (in your case 'sx' is the one that gives
you the least angst - because it's your competancy. Not sure
just how accurate or workable this theory is - but in your case sp/sx/soc
Sp is your drive(giving you the most angst)/ Sx is your competancy
-(giving you the least angst)/ and soc is not an
issue (well, I can't remember the angst factor on last variant : ).
Waiting to be called out on this one
-A
-knew you were a soc, Kyle-
always used to list it in signature. _________________ ENTJ sx/so |
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HT Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Social 74%
Sexual 62%
Self Preservation 54% _________________ Wrath Angel
MBTI Subtype: iNtP
Sex: Male |
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Jhyana Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Sexual ||||||||| 30%
Social ||||||||| 22%
Self Preservation |||||||||||||||||||||||| 74% |
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DreamingOne Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Is this the same as what the enneagram test gives you? I don't have time to take another test this morning.
The enneagram one gave me sx/sp/so. _________________ "Love never fails." ~Corinthians
Okay, okay, I'm an ENFP. Fine. |
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C.G. Alt Advanced Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Another wrote: |
Oh - you're sp -CG? There's a theory that your
central listed variant (in your case 'sx' is the one that gives
you the least angst - because it's your competancy. Not sure
just how accurate or workable this theory is - but in your case sp/sx/soc
Sp is your drive(giving you the most angst)/ Sx is your competancy
-(giving you the least angst)/ and soc is not an
issue (well, I can't remember the angst factor on last variant : ).
Waiting to be called out on this one |
Yes, I am overwhelmingly sp(some 80%). What did you think I'd be?
The sequence of the other two factors is less certain: In the link that you provided, I got sp/sx/so - slight preference of sx (54% vs. 52% if I remember correctly). However, on the enneagram test, I tested as 5w4, sp/so/sx(I took it 10 minutes ago).
If sx is correlated to assertiveness(me, assertive? ), then the most likely order for me is sp/so/sx. But then again, I haven't read much about instinctual variants. |
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TS Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Sexual |||||||||||| 38%
Social ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Self Preservation ||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Hmm. _________________ “I have suffered from being misunderstood, but I would have suffered a hell of a lot more if I had been understood.”
Clarence Darrow
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INFP |
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Vagabond Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Sexual ||||||||||||||| 46%
Social ||||||||| 22%
Self Preservation |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86% |
Hmm. While I got the right order (sp/sx/soc), the percentages are so-so... my sp and sx are really quite close (though my sp clearly prevailes) and my soc is almost non-existant. But I am in a weird place in life right now, which could explain the precentages I got.
PS: As to the description, it is more accurate than I expected, BUT:
a) Please take out that decorating crap. Please..? Sp is about feeling comfortable in your environment, which could be a total mess or look like a stable to others. Not about decoration.
b) If Jackie O was a sp/sx, I am the Pope. She was sp/soc as hell. _________________ Ο δικός μου ο δρόμος μ' έχει χρόνια διαλέξει...
INTP 5w4 sp/sx |
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HT Advanced Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Too much self-preservation is bad. Gotta balance yo. _________________ Wrath Angel
MBTI Subtype: iNtP
Sex: Male |
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DreamingOne Advanced Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Okay. I took it:
| The test wrote: |
Sexual......................|||||||||||||||||||||||| 78%
Social.......................||||||||||||||||||||| 66%
Self Preservation.......||||||||||||||||||||| 66% |
I don't know how accurate it is though. I mean, the types of questions it asked are very much subject to change depending on one's mood, I think. _________________ "Love never fails." ~Corinthians
Okay, okay, I'm an ENFP. Fine. |
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zillah Advanced Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Sexual ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%
Social ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Self Preservation |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%
The only prob I have is that they asked based on what you think is important, rather than whether you actually get results. I mean, I care to some extent how other people view me and about my position or whatever, but I don't have a lot of aptitude in actually managing that or even gauging what people think. So I actually tend to get at little paranoid and prefer to remain low profile. I'm wondering if my soc score was too high. |
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HT Advanced Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| zillah wrote: | Sexual ||||||||||||||||||||| 70%
Social ||||||||||||||||||||| 62%
Self Preservation |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%
The only prob I have is that they asked based on what you think is important, rather than whether you actually get results. I mean, I care to some extent how other people view me and about my position or whatever, but I don't have a lot of aptitude in actually managing that or even gauging what people think. So I actually tend to get at little paranoid and prefer to remain low profile. I'm wondering if my soc score was too high. |
You seriously need to get laid. Geez.
and Goddamn...you're such a hermit. _________________ Wrath Angel
MBTI Subtype: iNtP
Sex: Male |
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